Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Friday, May 11, 2007 4:35 AM

My review of Spiderman 3 generated quite a few comments, many of which had a glaring misunderstanding throughout: whether Venom could come back in a subsequent Spiderman movie.

*SPOILER ALERT*

In the movie, we see Pete throw a pumpkin bomb into the symbiote, and Eddie jumps at it...the bomb explodes, Eddie is vaporized and only a few pieces of the symbiote are left. Re-read that part: EDDIE IS VAPORIZED...he's dead...gone...Venom didn't have any powers like Cloak did where people could be "swallowed" up into darkness and whisked away, so Eddie Brock, inthe movie, is DEAD.

This leads us to the point of this post: why Venom can't be in Spiderman 4 or any other Spiderman movie. You see, Venom is NOT the sumbiote. Huh? What do you mean? Well, we can determine whether a given combination of person and symbiote is in fact Venom by a simple calculation:

We see here that Eddie Brock + Symbiote = Venom. But what if we swap in some variables...

Hmmm...Justice Gray + Symbiote does NOT equal Venom...

Your granny + Symbiote does NOT equal Venom...

That girl from the cover of Head-First Design Patterns + Symbiote does NOT equal Venom

You get my point here...Venom is ONLY Venom if Eddie Brock is in the equation. And don't even START with me on the whole "Well didn't the Scorpion become Venom in the comics?" Yeah...and Peter Parker was also a clone of the real Peter Parker who ended up thinking HE was the clone and launched the whole Scarlet Spider fiasco...sometimes the best intentions end in blatent WTF situations.

So anyway...look...Venom, as in the original Venom storyline from the comics, REQUIRES Eddie Brock. No Eddie, no Venom. The best we can hope for is Carnage in a future one...but even then, it won't be anything close to the original storyline.

I'm sorry...do I sound bitter?

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# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Well maybe someone will take a bit of the cellular residue left from Brok, clone him, and rebind him to the symbiote. Ta-Da back (in the lamest possible way.... but back) 5/11/2007 6:45 AM | Dave Woods

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Dammit Dave, don't give the Raimi's any ideas!!!

D 5/11/2007 7:11 AM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

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I am just trying to get a consulting gig with them. jeesh! 5/11/2007 7:51 AM | Dave Woods

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What you didn't see is that Eddie was abducted by the Symbiotes from space BEFORE he was vaporized by the bomb. He will be back, but I swear if they mess up Carnage like they did Venom there will be hell to pay! 5/11/2007 8:51 AM | Steven R

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OMG, again...let's not give Raimi any ideas! All we need is a "spinoff" movie chronicling the absurd "Planet of the Symbiotes" storyline!

Ugh...if they mess up Carnage I'll be pissed.

D 5/11/2007 8:56 AM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

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Impeccable logic, D'arcy.
I thought that Venom was the coolest part of the movie.
BTW - have you noticed that Tobey Macguire looks like Data from ST:TNG? 5/11/2007 10:58 AM | Scott Miller

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Holy crap.

You not only referenced Mac Gargan being Venom now, but you went so far as to reference the Spider-Clone Saga which obviously implies I am not the only person alive who has read through that story in its entirety.

I would write more but I am picking my jaw up off the floor!! 5/14/2007 9:10 AM | Justice~!

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Ok i think some things need to be cleared up, movie wise if you want to say the duit and eddie got vaporized then why didnt goblin 2 get vaporised he got f***ed up but not vaporized. Watch spiderman 1 like i have again the bombs are different then the ones that vaporize i.e. everything is different about green goblin 2, this being point one,another point is that since venom is stronger then goblin 2 and yes i mean venom not the suit not eddie, because at the last second they fused, Point three spiderman never kills anyone, despite him trying or not, and when a villian does die he get all sad and regrets it and its always shown in migures shitty acting, so to some it up venom is stronger then green goblin 2, they fused at the last second, and dont talk about the fire and sound thing because that never killed venom, and the movie stayed pretty close with the comic 5/14/2007 8:14 PM | Shadow

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he can be init cos in the comic it says he is meteorite fluid. 5/16/2007 12:49 AM | gk

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Shadow...did you see the same scene I did, where Eddie's body gets eviscerated by the bomb? (yes, its stupid that the bomb that exploded by Harry only marred him while the one that was thrown at Venom killed Eddie)
You need to read the comics man...the symbiote bonded to Eddie, but Eddie could NOT bond with the symbiote in the same way...he's human, he doesn't have that power. It's not like the Symbiote absorbed Eddie's mind or anything. Plus, assuming that the only piece of the symbiote alive is the one Dr. Connors has, that one wasn't even exposed to Eddie. So no, Eddie in the movies is dead and no, they didn't stay close to the comics at all.

gk: What comic are you reading? Go back to the original storyline bud...the one where Parker gets the suit in the Secret Wars.

D 5/16/2007 12:56 AM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

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OLD SCHOOL SECRET WARS REFERENCE!!!

i have a feeling this just might become the most popular post you have *ever* written!! 5/19/2007 7:19 AM | Justice~!

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cant the simbiote withstaand high temp. 5/22/2007 3:28 PM | person

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Okay all you people are idiots. I have been reading so many of these posts lately and no one knows what they are talking about. Firstly if you ever read any Spider-Man comic that involved the Symbiote Spider-Man or Venom you would know that yes the Symbiote does have power the power to protect it's host. It even protected Peter in the movie for Christ's sake. When Harry stabs Peter with a knife when they are fighting in the mansion the symbiote pushes the knife out of Peter's body. In the comics, the even if Peter wasn't wearing it, the symbiote would jump off of the chair it was lying on to protect Peter. And there is no way that they would kill Venom off period. . .let alone that quickly. Venom never died in the comic or any of the animated series(which is more what along the lines of what they follow). I have Spider-Man 3 on DVD and if you watch the scene where Spider-Man throws the pumpkin bomb at the symbiot, if you listen very carefully right after the explosion disappears and they cut back to the little fire you hear the sound of a web thwip and Spider-Man doesn't move. And another point is an explosion can't kill the symbiote. Only sonic sound waves can kill it AND LOTS OF SONIC SOUND WAVES! I could be wrong about this part but I am pretty sure that the Carnage Symbiote can be hurt by fire. . .The Venom Symbiote can be hurt by fire in the "Ultimate Spider-Man" story arc but what real Spider-Man fan bases anything on "Ultimate Spider-Man" I would rather read Spider-Ham honestly LMAO! 5/25/2007 10:53 AM | Spidra-Man

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And by the way I have the Birth of Venom and the Secret Wars graphic novels so yes I know what I am talking about. 5/25/2007 11:01 AM | Spidra-Man

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Yes the symbiote can protect, but the Symbiote CANNOT alter the shape of its host...so unless they somehow suggest that the Symbiote protected Eddie, and then they "swung away" as you mention the web sound, despite that we see in the movie that Eddie's body goes all skeletal when the bomb goes off, Venom is dead in the movies.

D 5/25/2007 2:21 PM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

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Does the skeleton matter? For all we know, that could've been the symbiote wrapping itself tightly around Brock's body, and Brock could be taking his time recuperating from any damages he took until the 4th flick. If there's no trace of Eddie after the explosion, you can't rule out the possibility that he survived. And not when an unnamed actor goes on record stating that his character, who appears to have died, might not be dead. Who could it be? Harry? I don't think so.

Besides, you can't have Carnage without Venom. If they could get the gist of the Venom origin down, they'd have to give no less with Carnage. 5/26/2007 8:21 PM | Bum

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idk...unless the symbiote fused with eddie's boneless body...i dont see venom in spider-man 4....hes dead and he isnt comin back 5/27/2007 8:40 AM | AC

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You're missing the point. Where's his body? You need a body to show he's dead. Explosions don't vaporize you into nothing. 5/27/2007 2:49 PM | Bum

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"Explosions don't vaporize you into nothing"

Are you kidding me? Have you not heard of the term "pink mist"?

Now the bomb Spidey threw was small, I'll grant you that...but it seemed to have quite the explosive impact in that scene and we did see Eddie's body go skeletal at one point.

I think when the DVD comes out more will be revealed on what really happened...

D 5/27/2007 3:25 PM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

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i've been watching this scene so many different times on youtube. Its hard to tell because the footage isn't all that good, but i just dont see Venom/Eddie Brock comin back...but it is hollywood and it is a movie and they can do whatever the hell they want even if it conflicts with the previous movies, if they want it im sure they will fit Venom/Eddie Brock in somewhere...but knows.

heres a clip i was watchin on youtube...its hard to tell though what happens at the end when he blows up...you cant see the skeleton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aGQJrkL69s 5/28/2007 7:40 AM | AC

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about venom being dead... he has to be, symbiotes have TWO weaknesses: very loud sounds and FIRE. The explosion obviously killed eddie and the symbiote because you can see a peice of the symbiote burning after the explosion... I know it sucks but venoms dead 6/2/2007 1:07 PM | J

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they killed him off too fast ruined the whole endind 6/3/2007 8:32 PM | joey

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i know you guys dont know me,but sure enough venom has to be on spider man 4,look do you guys remember when dr. kurt conners(lizard) and peter were looking at the symbiote in the glass....WELL,do you ALSO remember that dr. conners wanted to keep it for research,DING DING!yes,people,that little symbiote will eventually be carnage,and dr. conners will be lizard who we all know is on the symbiote experiment,furthomore in half way creating carnage...see at least sam raime did us one favor of evidence to the set up of spiderman 4,oh yeah and the most suspicious of this case is if you listen really closly at the end after the explosion of venom you can hear venom and a little web...soo,bottom line lizard's gonna clone the leftover symbiote to become venom and carnage is the symbiote in the glass. 6/6/2007 3:46 AM | nick

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i just watched the scene over and over and venom is not dead if you look closely the moment eddie runs to the suit the suit catches yeah it catches the bomb and wraps around eddie you can't even see the whole back of eddie when the bomb goes off because the suit is already covering it and the people who read the comics should have known that venom is weak against sound and a lot more capable of taking fire than his offspring carnage who has a better protection against sound but is weaker to fire you can search it on marvel universe if you want to but i belive that if they want him back in spidey 4 there is no problem in doin it he can't be dead of just that stupid bomb then osborn should be dead too and its the same bomb in both scenes i checked it already 6/6/2007 11:37 PM | Gregory edcius

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Dude...have you heard of this new thing called a period? That's like the biggest sentence I've ever read...

Venom is weak against sound and not necessarily against fire...true...but if you strap a bomb to him and fire it, I'm pretty sure he'd feel it (he's not Superman, he's just enhanced...that doesn't make him indestructable).

The only way they can explain Venom in SM4 is if he "somehow" escaped before the bomb went off. Otherwise, even if the Symbiote wrapped itself around Eddie, it can't alter Eddie's physiology...its not like Cloak who can swallow up people into the darkness and then disappear himself (didn't I write this already?).

D 6/7/2007 12:20 AM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

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I see what your trying to say but it doesn't have to be cloak maybe he did get away in the flames and the pices you see burning are a decoy for spiderman not to follow and about your period i dont think that they would kill of venom he's one of the biggest characters in the franchise so it wouldn't happen that easy and how the f**k can osborn survive that bomb inches away from his head withouth some suit or something and eddie and the symbiote both vaporate of the same bomb on the same distance plus venom killed the sandman how can it be that he is still standing at the end of the movie while venom is dead explain that to me

it could be that they killed him off that way but that would be the lamest excuse for killing venom how aboout the whole shoot it back in space idea or something like that they couldn't kill the suit normally so they did that 6/7/2007 3:05 AM | Gregory Edcius

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Well that's the thing...I'm not disagreeing with you about how incredibly STUPID it is that one bomb wouldn't kill Harry but another one would off Venom. The whole movie was dumb. I'm trying to just not think aobut it anymore...

D 6/7/2007 3:10 AM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

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I think that the producer should be killed for F**king this movie I mean come on how the hell can you do that to venom

I heard that the director Sam Raimi hates the whole symbiote thing and that thats the reason why he did such a poor job with venom he hates it if you think about that and the way he killed him off it could be right that he just wanted to be done with it 6/7/2007 10:04 PM | Gregory Edcius

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Venom will be in Spiderman 4. Because if you know the storyline,the only reason carnage even exist is BECAUSE of venom...and it only happens BECAUSE kletus is with eddie. Sure we saw him get vaporized...but how do you know he won't rematerialize?You also saw the symbiote refuse with eddie before that bomb hit...yeah we saw a skeleton but how do you know it wasn't like a camera affect?With that I mean when a camera flashes and you see the persons skeleton(mostly an example you'd see in a cartoon but still)...A bomb that hit harry,who had no symbiote didn't kill him but it's suppose to kill venom?Yeah...that makes total sense(rolls eyes)Venom will be in Spiderman 4 6/11/2007 11:34 AM | Josh

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Sam Raimi sucks. But then again if you stop to think about it venom isn't dead...I mean look,everything's going along with the story...with a change here and there..the symbiote sample is in doctor connor's lab...Now you saw venom explode...but what makes you think they won't do some kooky thing to show he's still alive? It has been the first time movies have done this. But yeah..Sam Raimi is the problem,get a new director. Someone who actually knows the storyline and doesn't want to be a moron and screw it up 6/11/2007 11:41 AM | kujo

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I can talk with people like you
you guys know what ya talkin about he can't be dead as i stated because carnage is the offspring of venom and as josh said and i already siad the same thing there's no friggin way that bomb would kill venom the same bomb that couldn't kill harry they should really hang the producer for what i think screwing one of greatest storylines and one of the greatsest characters in the spiderman univrse 6/11/2007 1:23 PM | Gregory Edcius

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you guys are all crazy for even debating this it just a movie talk about a little obsessed all i wanted to find out was what the movie was about
maybe you should take a break from all this spirderman crap 6/11/2007 2:25 PM | nic

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Maybe they'll bring him back...but it'll make no sense...they screwed up the storyline. I think I'll have to put my faith in the upcoming Ironman movie instead...sigh.

nic...take a break from Spiderman? Isn't that like taking a break from breathing?
;)

D 6/11/2007 4:26 PM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

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nice one. Venoms coming back. No debate. 6/12/2007 8:18 AM | dustin

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f*** u 6/12/2007 11:04 AM | ed

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Does anyone remember in the first spider-man when the green goblin vaporizes the oscorp board with a bomb? Venom is dead, the only way they can bring him back is if they do some lame Eddie Brock Sr. pissed that his son was killed and bonds with the piece conners has. 6/15/2007 6:50 AM | Carty

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He can't be dead (last time) go and read your comic books it's not like venom is some kind of hoverboard that he will vaporize that easy i simply can't believe it i made my points clear already about the why and how's scroll up to read it 6/17/2007 9:57 PM | Gregory Edcius

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Venom and Eddie Brock will return in Spider-Man 4.

There are many ppl saying it. 6/22/2007 12:19 AM | Danny Duignan

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Yeah all that say Eddie is dead are right.When your dead your dead,you didn,t see Doc Ock just return from the dead you know;are some of you that senseless?That does,nt mean there can,t be Carnage you know;after all there is some symbiote left over.Duh. 6/23/2007 5:35 AM | Steven

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If the director say,s he,s dead then that should be more then enough for all of you. 6/23/2007 5:40 AM | Steven

# re: Why Venom Can Be In Spiderman 4

Maybe he could be back by small chance.I consider this prior to my previous statement because the actor that played as Venom,Topher Grace,said that depending on what happens he could return.Maybe.Don,t count on it though. 6/23/2007 5:49 AM | Steven

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Although I didn,t write the script I know enough about Spider-Man 3 Greg Edcius.If you watched the t.v. guide premeire,you might have known what the director or the other actors said,or hinted towards.Point made.No offense buddy.I wish not to upset anyone okay.This is all I know. 6/25/2007 9:22 AM | Steven

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LOL @ Tom..."If you watched the TV show or read the comics..."

Dude, I have the comics where Venom first became Venom...I've been following this storyline since before you were probably born. Venom and Eddie never "become one" in the comics...its Eddie's body enhanced by the symbiote. Now, maybe for the movie they could do that storyline...but they also made Peter do a dance number in Spidey 3 and we all know how THAT went over with die-hard fans.

If Venom comes back, it'll be just stupid...absolutely stupid, seeing as how they totally ruined him already in SM3. They should have had Spidey defeat him, but not in such a dramatic way...Venom escapes, leading up to the real showdown in the next one.

But whatever...

D 6/25/2007 9:31 AM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

# Why Did New Goblin Have To Die!?

I guess I really hated to see Harry die in the movie.If no one really dies in the "Marvel Universe,"why couldn,t they have done it like this.They could have let Venom jump with the Sky Stick right?Anyways right at the last second right, before Harry got thrown off his glider,he could have grabbed a pumpkin bomb and shortly before Venom makes his kill Harry throws the bomb at him,but not without Venom getting New Goblin with his glider.This could have possibly let him survive.How can the story go on you may ask?Well he could have coexisted to his friends Peter and MJ.Thanks for listening if you read this,and sorry if you don,t agree. 6/26/2007 1:04 AM | Steven

# Final Battle

Oh yeah,I guess I forgot to add,that the ending still could have went the same otherwise.Harry could have went to the hospital at the end instead of the freakin grave yard. 6/26/2007 1:08 AM | Steven

# Spider-Man 4

I personally think myself that these villians should be included in th next film.Carnage,The Lizard most definitely,and or maybe Scorpion or Hydroman with Sandman returning to help Spider-man.I think these would be great villians,more than the others.Wait,maybe possibly,HobGoblin as another choice;that is what I think. 6/27/2007 7:52 AM | Steven

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Venom lives.

When Brock jumped in w/ the symbiote the bomb explodes. I believe what they didn't want to show the viewer was that:

The symbiote attached to Brock immediately upon entering the circle of bars. As the bomb explodes Brock and the symbiote are becoming one and get away straight up out of the explosion.

Spider Man 4 will definitely be Venom v. Spidey, plus I'm sure other characters sprinkled throughout for #5 and so on.

$hit, they've had Green Goblin on every dam one. You think they'd kill Venom off w/out giving him more coverage?

Anyways, don't you think the dude playing Sandman would have made a better Eddie Brock? Topher Grace is puny compared to the portrayal of Brock in comics.
6/27/2007 1:25 PM | Deez

# Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

I think you may not be understanding something.Like the other guy said,Eddie and the symbiote never become one;so to have him back after Spider-Man defeated Venom fair and sqaure at the end is just wrong I guess.You didn,t just see Doc Ock or Green Goblin just come back from the dead,they were dead.Like I said when your dead your dead.I still respect your vision and all,but we all know what really happened at the end.Sorry,doesn,t look like it is very much at all in Mr.Sam Raimi,s or whoever else,s cards.Point made.As for the goblin,the new one,well he,s part of the story,he is what makes it interesting.Really without him there would have been a missing link in the Spider-Man trilogy.Best regards anyways. 6/28/2007 12:37 AM | Steven

# I Just May Have Remembered Spider-Man 3 Part

Maybe you are right.I did kind of hear something after the explosion at the end.This could be a small possibility of Venom escaping,then maybe later he gets thrown into prison after he gets put together with his cell mate Kletus Cassady or whatever you may call him.Then once Dr.Connors performs his experiment and becomes the Lizard,the rest of the goo from the alien costume finds Cletus in prison and he forms into Carnage.Maybe later after him and Eddie get out they attack Spider-Man,but since Spider-Man knows Venom,s weakness he defeats Venom in the first battle.Then,maybe later on he actually helps Spider-Man defeat Carnage for whatever reason?I don,t know.I still kind of doubt Venom survives.Most sources say he is dead.Oh well..... 6/28/2007 9:17 AM | Steven

# why venome

if u look at the comics and cartoons theres bin a lot of twist that wernt on the comic......now ther is a peace of symbiote left on the table were the proffesor was studiing it......that will have the birth of carnage.....and theyl probaly bring venome back....just not with eddie brock.......or maybey just carnage 6/30/2007 6:53 PM | remy

# Harry Survives Possibly?

I read that in a article,that say,s one of the character,s that appears to be dead at the ending,may not be completely dead;I think it is Harry.This could be, because first he didn,t get stabbed through the heart or liver,and second there is a regenerating part of the serum that can heal the host,s body.Even though there was the cemetery site at the ending,it doesn,t mean it is over.Maybe Peter find,s out that the serum in which the Goblin took has the regeneration feature that I just mentioned,and maybe he helps get Harry out of his coffin?Who konws.Read it on Wikipedi or what ever you call it and see what I mean.Also check Ign.Thanks. 7/1/2007 12:51 AM | Steven

# There is a Spiderman 4 preview movie on Youtube coming soon?

In the preview movie Venom isn't there, but they do use carnage. Shocker is in there, and Peter(Spiderman) gets married to M.J. while having to defeat the nems at the same time!

The vid. is going to be approx. 8-10-and over...
minutes long.

If you like mashes you'll like it.

It is just like a real movie too! 7/2/2007 3:33 AM | wfk_productions

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

I understand why people are complaining that venom can't be in spiderman 4 because we all new he was in spiderman 3 but for idea that was stupid they should have never done that with venom because the we want him in three more spiderman movies so him and spiderman could face carnage. 7/3/2007 10:56 AM | Amir

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

In the explosion to the right of the explosion you see Eddie Brock's skeleton. He's gone for good. But if you think about it Dr. connor's still has a sample of the symbiote in his lab so that's how carnage is going to be in the movie 7/17/2007 3:00 PM | Jonah

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I didn't see a skeleton 7/19/2007 7:52 AM | Alex

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Yes there is a skeleton if you have eyes in your head.Whoa,possibly.Almost certain though. 7/24/2007 9:41 AM | Steven

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I think they will show a back side view showing venom being thrown off the building after the explosion. Not getting destroyed, he regenerates and there has to be a Huge fight between Venom and Spiderman. Also Carnage can only be stopped by Venom who creates Carnage. Vemon has to be in the 4th movie at least. 8/5/2007 1:38 PM | Bob

# Spider-Man 4

I don,t like to press anyone down with the real situation,but come on Venom or Eddie are dead.I mean I have watched the ending a few times and never seen either survive or leave the building.I guess I could accept a small possibility that he survies somehow,but really he didn,t survive.The only logical point I see is that of Carnage.Remember Doc Connor,s lab?Well that is where we can see the creation of Carnage.Please don,t tell me about the comics said this or that,because the movie is done differently anyhow.I mean Eddie doesn,t go to prison at the end of the movie,like he was supposedly supposed to do like in the comics in the same cell as Cletus Kassady.He was VAPORIZED.But I will let you all think what you like,just my opinion.Anyways....... 8/10/2007 3:51 AM | Steven

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i think venom is alive.. it cant be that venom dies after 15 min. in the third movie.
i didnt see a skeleton after the explosion and it cant be that there was nothing left after the explosion. if harry survives..i dont know. after all, if venom is dead, the producents have not only killed venom but they killed the possibility to bring carnage in next spierman movies. i think symbiots are the best part in spiderman stories and we got only 15 minutes in a stupid third movie 8/14/2007 3:07 AM | venom

# Spider-Man 4

Oh yeah I guess forgot to be specific about what I meant about Carnage.In Doc Connors lab,it could happen that Carnage comes into existence by what I heard someonelse theorize and that I see possible.It was supposedly that the sample of the symbiote that Connor,s was studying escapes during his transformation into the lizard and that the part of which I am half-way convinced is when this person said that somehow the symbiote fuses with Cletus Kassady,but this time through the blood and well I am not sure about the rest, but really it isn,t all in the wind.Yes I kind of agree with that previous comment but I am baffled at this point.Anyone have a clue about Sandman?Thanx.P.S. It remains to be seen what is of a couple of these characters,and maybe some real answers that still need to be expalined. 8/14/2007 8:42 AM | Steven

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

do you think that little piece of symbiot is enough to make carnage?
but there is a bigger piece in the church on eddies jacket. do u remember? 8/17/2007 8:28 AM | venom

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eeeeeeeeeeehm...do you think that little piece of symbiot is enough to make carnage?
but there is a bigger piece in the church on eddies jacket. do u remember? 8/17/2007 8:29 AM | venom

# Spiderman 4

No I don,t.I am willing to listen Venom or anyone else to some of your further intrigue in this matter.Please tell me what you know.P.S. I am not always here but I will answer back if you have any more questions. 8/18/2007 12:22 AM | Steven

# Carnage Exists Eddie Doesn,t

Carnage will exist.I finally have reached conclusions on how this can happen.
Number one there is even more symbiote that I have seen in the movie like Venom above here said and that and the piece from Connor,s lab possibly find each other and find Cletus Kassady.Number two we didn,t see Doc Con, dispose of the sample,and number three read it on wikipedia.Eddie on the other hand is dead.I watched the ending in slow motion and I see his skeleton in between the top and bottom in the right hand corner.Check for yourself,and see what I mean on You Tube and then come back and tell me what any of you think then.Enough said. 8/18/2007 6:23 AM | Steven

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Steven, to your reply to one of the other persons comments about hearing the noise and the theory you heard about Venom being in a cell with Cassidy I think your totally right. Except what I think is different with my veiw is the symbiote from connors lab goes to Eddie, and in the process of going there and getting Brock out it gives birth to the spawn of Venom (Carnage Symbiote) which soon after Venom escapes Kletus and Carnage emerge.

Thats my veiw. Thanks =p 8/19/2007 6:34 PM | Trevor

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

oh and btw if you ask me, the only way the should introduce carnage is with Venom.

Venom and Carnage team up on Spidey, spidey gets pretty much destroyed, and then Venom wants Spider-man for himself and thus the (badass) battle between father and son. If they do that I'd be very...very impressed. 8/19/2007 6:38 PM | Trevor

# Random thoughts with the Symbiotes

What I don't really understand if they really wanted to show Eddie Brock being *Vaporized* or whatever happend to him and resulting in his death, they should of have made showing his skeleton if its there more in sight, instead of guys and gals having to slow down videos down to slo mo to actually see it because most of the people who produced SM3 should believe if the pumpkin bomb just exploded that close to venom and pretty much in the suit it wouldnt of killed him considering Harry survived.

Another thought of mine is that the sample Connors has in his lab really cant be *Carnage* symbiote. In order for another spawn to be made like the past couple of Symbiotes such as Toxin each symbiote has to go through a birth process that always results in an explosion at birht of the spawn. Which in SM3 I really dont recall that one happening. But Ill be honest I too thought and still think maybe that sample can be for Cassidy 8/19/2007 6:54 PM | Neccrid

# Venom and Carnage? Theory # 1

Suppose that the alien symbiote sacrifices Eddie to die for itself,and escapes through the ceiling during the explosion.Spider-Man doesn,t see this because the brightness of the explosion,thus all he see,s is part of the symbiote burning on the ground afterwards.Furthermore lets say that the symboite vow,s vengance against Spider-Man for not acting as its host and killing Eddie or at least thinking in that perspective although aware of what it has done.Later it could spawn Carnage and you know what happen,s from there.The symbiote could survive on it,s own after the explosion because it is (alien).Point made and I agree with what some of you have to say.Thanx. 8/20/2007 5:48 AM | Steven

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

man its not the same bomb which "vaporized" venom like the board members in the first movie. there wasnt a explosion only the members turned to bones.. eddies bomb explosed so its not the same!
i think venom is still alive but hurt. if u see the slowmotion u can see the "skeletton" fly to the right and than u can see a figure that flyes away in the right corner.

"character appeared to die in sm3 will return in the 4th movie" it only can be venom! if its harry spider-man is dead for me cuz peter said good words about his best friend harry at the and and they are all upset about his death. it would suck if he would return and it wouldnt have any sense cuz he cant be a enemy anymore..

whats about the symbiot yes there is a big piece on eddies jacket in the church but venom is alive so dont worry be happy;) 9/4/2007 4:01 AM | venom

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

It's going to be really funny when he's put in the movie and all of you opposed to him coming back are proved wrong. 9/18/2007 2:22 PM | Spidey-4

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

He will be back! If anything the fire composition bonded with Eddie and the symbiote, which could bring fourth Carnage or a stronger Venom, that's y they show an implosion instead of and explosion. Watch the movie and get at me. 10/2/2007 5:36 PM | JoJo

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

I agree with JoJo. The explosion just made him stronger. Remember how in the comic books he has huge muscles? Well he will come back stronger, so... 10/5/2007 9:22 AM | Spidey-4

# this movie fukin sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think this movie was stupid spider man 3 was a total dissapointment. It suck so bad, 2 many love scences if u ask me I think spider man 4 is gonna be stupider I mean when did mary jane know peter was spider man now she's up his ass 24 7 in the movie. I say they kill that bitch out in spiderman 4 in the start let that be the intro kill that bitch her character destroys the whole fukin storyline either kill her our in spiderman 4 or make her get naked cuz this bitch is killin the plot!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and u guys that think that venoms alive are fukin idiots no one can survive a fukin bomb stop assuming he's alive and wats this about playin the explosion in slow motion? Do u think the directors gonna put something in the movie that normal fukin people can't notice if u can't see it the first few times why put it there I say fuck spid!!!!!! Fuck mary jane!!!!!!!!!!transformers bitches !! 10/25/2007 7:43 PM | angry spider man fan

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

ok first of all your fucking gay, second of all its a fucking movie, anything can happen if there is a sequal, even venom coming back into the story line. 11/4/2007 1:23 PM | tj

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

ok first of all your fucking gay, second of all its a fucking movie, anything can happen if there is a sequal, even venom coming back into the story line. 11/4/2007 1:23 PM | tj

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

ok maybe i'm wrong, but watching the venom death scene on dvd, something looked different. i remember watching it in theaters and clearly seeing a skeleton because i was talking with my friends about it after we left the movie. but when i watched it on dvd, i didn't see the skeleton until i slowed it down. is the scene on the dvd the same as it was in the theaters. i could have sworn the scene in the theaters was from a different angle. what i'm getting at is, if this is the case, maybe they originally intended for venom to die, but then after the amount of negative response to the lack of use of the character, they decided to change things and use another version of the scene for the dvd that doesn't show venom's death so clearly. after all, they usually have multiple angles of these scenes. this way they could bring venom back in the fourth one. with the amount of people asking for it they just might do it, especially since they want to make up for the mistakes in 3. 11/8/2007 8:41 PM | whatname

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Well you see the evil Peter Parker threw the same exact grenade next to Harry Osborns face and he didn't die. He's just disfigured. I feel that Venom reunited with Eddie and scrammed to a safe location while the dust settled. Notice the camera pulled away and Peter not physically seeing any of the after math. Remember Doctor Curt Connors still has a piece of the Venom Symbiote. So many things can happen. 11/10/2007 12:24 PM | Knowledge

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

I feel that I disagree with you that the symbiote needs Brock to become Venom. In fact, Venom in the comics continuity is now Mac Gargan, or the former Scorpion. Also, even long after Brock died, in the far futures, new hosts were taken by the symbiote, such as Kron Stone, who calls himself Venom (Venom 2099) or Peter Parker (Spider-Venom, poison) Also, if the symbiote was oringinally Spider-Man but changed host to Eddie Brock, what stands against that fragment of symbiote in Dr. Connors' Lab getting a new host and doing it again? The point is, the symbiote does not need originality to create a villain named Venom, it has done this many times in the comics.
In fact, my thought lies on, what if, in a future Spider-Man movie the Scorpion (Mac Gargan) a formidable foe of Spider-Man, is beaten, and his scorpion suit trashed in a fight with Spider-Man? Could he obtain the piece of the symbiote from the labs of Dr. Connors, or it somehow came to him?
A Venom with Scorpion+Spider powers would be totally wicked, and would satisfy the story completely for the Spider-Man movies so far. 11/17/2007 11:30 AM | Ben

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

I think in my opinion that Venom will be in spiderman 4 because like some guy up their said he didnt get put in the jail.Sure he didnt but if you read the comics u find out Eddie gets put in their because he was venom and causing tragic.So i think the 4th will have venom they will fight blah blah eddie gets caught put in jail there goes casady ad some how the symbiote comes back and their 1 and casady gets a taste of it.But i think when eddie jumped into the symbiote.His cells combined with it just like in spiderman 3 that connor guy said this gets into ur cells and will change u and in the comics it says venom can morph (Change shpe) and dissapear so he could of got away in the explosion by falling off the back, or he could of when through a crack.But idk and thats what im predicting hope it comes true. 11/17/2007 1:35 PM | Ray

# what about the third syimbiote toxin

if venom did survive and carnage was in the 4th film at the end their symbiotes could mix and create toxin for the 5th film 11/17/2007 8:14 PM | pur3carnage

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Venoms going to be in Spider-man 4. I was listening to the commentary on th Spider-man 3 movie and at the end when venom died, they mentioned only the little piece of symbiote in the fire where venom was thought to be destroyed and they said now does this mean that venom might be in the next movie, giving a haha type of sarcastic tone and then they quickly try to say something to go on to another subject to what she just said. 12/5/2007 10:54 AM | DL

# Spiderman 4

Ok. Since most of you think that Venom is coming back and I do too in a way,answer this.How,s come they didn,t show clearly at the end that Eddie survived?I mean there is no way he could have.Only the symbiote can.Also the movies do not follow the comics very closely at all.So really we should be happy with choice of possibly either The Lizard and Carnage which seems like a better deal in my opnion or Venom (Symbiote) and the Lizard.I really don,t want to say much else except that one interview a long time ago stated Venom,s possible return.Currently nothing has been officially confirmed on Spider-Man 4 other than that James Vanderbuilt is the screenwriter and there are only two villians in the next film perhaps.No more.Everything otherwise, is really in the wind at this point.Enough said. 12/7/2007 11:41 AM | Steven L.

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Here...this is why Venom is not dead.

First of all, you DO see Eddie's skeleton. However, has everyone forgotten that the symbiote has a cloaking power? No...not like the character "Cloak," I mean INVISIBILITY. It uses it in the movie against Spider-Man - when they're in the building at the construction site. Spider-Man keeps looking around for Venom, but he can't see him, then he gets lifted by his head without his spider-sense being triggered. In fact, in that scene, you hear the SAME eerie sound that is played right after Venom's explosion.

And if the symbiote turned Eddie transparent, his skeleton would be the last thing to turn invisible.

I hate to break it to you, but Venom's alive. Raimi knows just how much money the character generates. He also knows people want to see Carnage and The Lizard. But face it, everyone knows that Carnage sucks without Venom. The only way he would look good on the big screen is in a huge action-packed brawl against Venom.

He'll be back. I just hope Eddie's voice changes into something a little more intimidating when he's fully morphed. 1/15/2008 10:09 AM | Harry

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

WHAT?! When did Venom EVER have invisibility?! That's right: NEVER. He never had any sort of chemelion power to do that.

Ergo, there's no way that the symbiote could have "made Eddie transparent"...it never had that power.

No matter how they try to rationalize bringing Venom back, its going to suck...they really screwed up the storyline on this one. Thank God we have an awesome Batman movie coming out to look forward to.

D 1/15/2008 10:17 AM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

# Spiderman 4

I agree that it is not possible to bring Eddie back not the symbiote.Of course like I already said the movie doesn,t follow very closely at all with Venom,s character anyways.Also the ending would have been made more clearly if Eddie did survive.Sorry, but until I see any proof that Eddie will return in the supposed spinoff that was said long ago,I don,t believe it.Chances are looking slim at this point.We should just all wait and see what happens. 1/22/2008 9:48 AM | Steven L.

# why cant venom be in spider-man 4

venom dose have a cloak read venom in spider the ultimate guide 1/31/2008 7:41 PM | seth lynch

# NAAAAAAAAAA boi

god damit did u ever here that sam mite pass the movie on to PETER JACKSON :|
3/16/2008 4:16 PM | eruka

# ALL OF TIS BECAUSE OF NOTHING

no some other guy is working on it sam gave up and passed on to the guy who worked on x men and knows the complete spider man sega which settles it hes putting venom in the ring for another round

by the way after sm 4 i dont care much about venom any more and i bet most of u would agree with me !!!

so dont be a worried :) 3/16/2008 4:51 PM | Venom owns hodly hodly

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

about why eddie turned into a skeleton from the bomb well u will under stand if u watch sm 1 again

AT THE PART WERE GOBLIN INVADES THE FAIR AND ALMOST KNOCKS OFF MARY JANE FROM THE BALCONY THEN i wont wast most of ur time cause thats just not cool!!!

SPider man and the two goblins have really tough bodys wut does eddie have a animal and some balls to run into a grenade lmao 3/16/2008 4:57 PM | same dude above meh

# Venom movie

i heard that venom is getting his own movie and carnage and mabey scorpion are the villians
so spider-man 4 might not have venom or carnage
in also i heard spider-man 4 might only have 1 villian and its proboly lizard 4/1/2008 6:16 AM | fish sticks

# Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Yes,but that was mentioned a long time ago. Wasn,t it?I mean I haven,t seen anything else or heard anything else on the project, so at this point I am kind of doubting it. 4/15/2008 6:00 PM | Steven L.

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Its Hollywood they will bring Venom back they can kill off their main, and most popular villain, that fast. Fans will raise hail and ratings will drop. Think like Hollywood not a Spiderman fan. 5/30/2008 11:40 PM | Evilknights

# Spiderman 4

Yeah,well if they think bringing a dead character back from the netherworld makes sense,then they are just wrong.That would be like bringing back the new goblin, which he is pretty much dead.I personally liked his character next to spiderman but well you know,make your own pic of why that wouldn,t make sense.Hollywood or not,Sam or the other director will certainly not make that choice 5/31/2008 7:43 PM | S.L.

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

this is what makes sense. the symbiote in dr connors lab creates a new venom after his transformation into lizard. theres your two villians for Spiderman 4. then venom gets captured at the end where this leads into the carnage series in 5 or 6. they can leave it open and do 5 with other villians like ryno, mysterio, or someone else and start 6 with the final showdown with venom spidey and carnage 6/21/2008 7:50 PM | stevie d.

# Spiderman 4

Sounds alright to me I guess.I just really thought that since they didn,t make it clear that Eddie somehow survived at the end of Spider-Man 3,they really messed up on that part somehow.From what I,ve seen though, Venom is supposedly supposed to appear in the new Spider-man game Web of Shadows.They better explain real good though how this even possible.This still remains a mystery to me. 6/21/2008 8:29 PM | S.L.

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

basically, we all know that raimi didn't follow the comics so creating a new character to play venom instead of brock is a possibility. I just read up that spiderman 4 and 5 might be filmed simultaneously which would be perfect for the scenario I listed above. overall...I could care less if raimi or the rest of the cast come back. these next couple of movies should be directed towards all of the people like myself that felt like three was the biggest cock tease that didnt even get me excited when I saw it. it was more like I had wiskey dick by the end of the film watchin spideys arch nemesis degraded and killed in 15 min because Raimi didn't want venom in the film in the first place. he like the old villians and not the new age villians. well...guess what raimi...its 2008. we want new age shit and if u aint gonna give it to us then fuck it we start from scratch. scianara (prolly not spelled right) to dunst and toby and the fuckin upside kiss...duh...boring. start from scratch and bring a director and cast that will follow a script that supports the real fans out there who have been following this character for generations. sorry....just got through watchin 3 again and it pissed me off all over again. 6/22/2008 1:03 AM | stevie d.

# Spiderman 4

I see the possibility now that you mention it.All they really could of done is just save Venom for number 4 and make the New Goblin and Sandman the main atagonists of 3,where Harry could of still helped Peter at the end and so forth.Or they could of at least have given Venom more screen time to where we at least see more of a fight right after Harry,s stabbing and eventually see how the symbiote,(Not Eddie) escaped.But what the heck.At least we will still have Carnage(hopefully) and the all time most anticipated villian,the Lizard.Yes,Venom might be thrown in too. 6/22/2008 10:49 AM | S.L.

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Venom could very well be in Spiderman 4. There have been roughly five Venom's over the span of the character's history. First was Eddie Brock, then it was briefly his ex-wife Anne Weying, then an army communications officer named Patricia Robertson who was had a clone of the Venom symbiote (And yes, the symbiote is Venom, not the combination of Brock and the symbiote.), then is was Angelo Fortunato who bought the symbiote from Brock, and finally once Fortunato was killed, it came to Mac Gargan, the former Scorpion.

I didn't put Peter Parker on that list because it wasn't yet Venom when he had the symbiote. Originally it was just that: a symbiote. Venom is the symbiote after copying, and slightly altering Spiderman's powers. 6/29/2008 3:30 AM | A Guy

# Spiderman 4

so heres what i think. i think what that harry kid said about venom having some kind of cloaking was right. I mean come on that one scene you cannot see him yet you still here his voice. then in the explosion he escapes because you hear the same voice as it attaches to eddie and you only see a tiny bit of the symbiote getting burned up after the explosion. don't you think there would be blood? flesh? bone particles? i mean think sensibly with all of that symbiote we saw before peter threw the bomb, there can't be that little symbiote after the explosion. and i think in the next one, dr. connors tries to genetically modify the symbiote, thus turning it to a color that can turn into carnage, then during connors transformation, he accidently lets it loose, somehow finding its way to kluteus kassady. If they stick to the comic book, venom has to come back to take down carnage with spiderman. 7/6/2008 12:49 PM | CS

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

People like you make me hate the internet. This is a movie based on a comic book, anything can happen. And Eddie's skeleton proves about jack shit. If there's no corpse the villain is alive, that's like a rule in these kinda things. The only purpose for the skeleton to be included was that IF Spider-man 3 was in fact the last movie like it was intended to be then it offers some conclusion to Eddie Brock A.K.A. Venom. The fact that no body was produced was obviously an intended ploy to make Eddie available should a sequel (or spin-off) get the green light. He may not be in Spidey 4, but Venom and by extension, according to your way of thinking, Eddie, is very much alive and well. 7/6/2008 1:48 PM | Figment

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Ah he will come back because in the comics they shoot him a missle and he lives and a pumkin bomb won't kill him it didnt even kill Harry or Peter in Spider-Man 1 when hes fighting green Goblin and the end. 7/7/2008 6:31 PM | Pansa

# Spiderman 4

Well its rather obvious that Eddie couldn,t have survived.I mean think about it.Before Eddie could even rebond with the symbiote with the bomb right in his face,he died by the resulting explosion.If you remember what happened to Harry,s face then you,ll most likely agree.The reason why nothing happened to Spider-man or New Goblin was because they never really had the bomb come in direct contact with their bodies.In the first one, the bomb hit the ground and then bounced up,but exploded before it could get any closer to Peter.In the third Harry has the bomb miss his face but scars it when the bomb hits the wall.I mean common sense here.Eddie jumped right into the dam thing.Why is there no skeleton?Because it got blown away from the scene.I have seen it on my spider-man 3 dvd if you have the right T.V.Thats the evidence.Can,t change what cant be changed.Sorry but I haven,t even seen anything else that suggets Eddie (Not Venom)is alive. 7/16/2008 8:21 PM | S.L.

# Spiderman 4

Well it is really easy to see how Eddie,(Not Venom) died if you would just look at the entire pic.Here's how.Ok,if you remember back in Spider-man 1 and even 3,the reason why the pumpkin bombs never killed Peter or Harry,was because they never came in direct contact with the bomb.In one the bomb bounced right off the ground and then exploded before it could even hit Peter.In the third the bomb went right by Harry's face and exploded into the wall,so it scorched his face.Now Eddie jumped right into the bomb directly on.Why no skeleton?Because it was an explosion.Duh.The skeleton would fly right off the scene.Not on it.Likewise like the wall.The pieces flew outwards right after impact was made.So here is conclusion.Eddie=DEAD Venom=Alive Got it?Good. 7/17/2008 3:16 PM | S.L.

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

ok im not saying venom/eddie is dead but for carnage in spiderman 4 i just want to say that if anyone remembers carnage would kill spiderman without breaking a sweat, and to not die spiderman had to go get venoms help to beat him so maybe hes dead or maybe hes not but no venom means spidermans gonna have a hell of a time wih carnage 7/27/2008 9:58 AM | no name

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

If Venom Is Getting His Own Film,Then He Can't Possibly Be Dead.
Plus,People Are Saying The Grenade Would Of Wasted Him But Harry Wasn't Dead When One Blow Half His Face Off. 9/14/2008 5:27 PM | Fraser

# Grenade Explosion

Again,the grenade that damaged Harry's face, first hit the wall.The grenade at the end,went directly at Eddie.Now how can you clearly not see Eddie is dead?I like Venom's character,but once Eddie is dead,the symbiote finds someoneelse.There is no such thing as surviving direct fire.That would be like standing right in front of someone that blows your head off.I mean you are not just going to get up after that.Right?Of course not.Very obvious.Enough said. 9/19/2008 6:19 PM | S.L.

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

spidermna 4 leaked
vemon or eddi brock or whatever didnt die
he goes to jail, still has some symbiote on him or whatever, meets a convicted killer, and the symbiote gets on the convicted killer 9/28/2008 4:09 PM | yo

# Spiderman 4

Yeah,alright.But Spiderman 4 is still likely to feature The Lizard or someoneelse.So really,that shows what is more a sensible thing to do than putting a character who died in the 3rd in the 4th movie.The movies do not follow the comics,despite what some are saying about a spin-off.Thats the worst thing they want to do after what we saw in 3.Believe me I liked 3 and I know what I saw.That is all. 10/16/2008 7:09 PM | S.L.

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

maybe they sould just make a diffrint part to the story like gessing in sm4 he dosent beat carnage but just stops his rampage for a while then we see a pice of the simbiote with some of brocks dna in it when he was killed the symbiote has strange abilitys right so it can just reform brock like a healing kinda efect cuz if the symbiote attaches to you ur apart of it know right so it knows everytihg about u so in sm5 they can have a team up with the f4 and eddy brock venom idk just an idea 10/24/2008 12:23 AM | Gerome

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

i have an idea mabe they should bring back venom how the symbiote is still living so if brocks dna is still in the symbiote it can remake brock as like a healing thing or somthing so in sm5 they can team up with the f4 o ya a gess on sm4 sm dosent defeat carnage but stops his rampage so the team up happens for 5 just a sugestion/idea 10/24/2008 12:30 AM | Gerome

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Dudes. Ok. You never see the body after the explosion, so obviously he's still alive. They are not going to kill a major villain in the movie without whowing a body, or at least a conclusive, dramatic, unquestionable death scene. All you get is an explosion and... nothing. I was surprised to hear that there actually were people who would believe that he was dead. You people are like all the disposable goons in every action movie ever made that assume the hero is dead just because he went over a waterfall and the body never surfaces. And, for the record, Venom can be hurt by sonic waves *and* fire. Or at least that's how it is in the stacks of original venom comics that reside in a closet not 10 ft. from where I sit as I type this. Anti-venom, the character that Brock later becomes after having lost the original suit, does not, apparently share these weaknesses. Oh, and Venom SUCKS in the movie anyway. What drug made in a bathtub in a backwoods housing project in HELL made ANYONE think that Topher f***ing Grace would make anything within the realm of even a tolerable Venom??? WTF!? So, I would personally be thrilled if they went the route of "Topher Grace died in the explosion, but not before catching syphilis and drinking his body weight in water piped in from Mexico. Here's our new Eddie Brock, WWE's Triple H"! Hey, he might not be the most fantastic actor in the world, but he was ok in Blade, and at least he looks the part. "Mister H, your motivation is that you are really pissed and want to kill Spiderman". Throw in the old "Strangers in the night" and "I'm going to eat your brain" catch phrases and all the fans of the true Venom go freakin' wild. 12/3/2008 7:51 PM | Goob

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Lets face it, the movies so far haven't exactly been precisely exact to the comics in many ways, this new film could have a completely different birth of carnage (hope not) and the bomb used was a different pumpkin bomb to that used on harry osbourn. Also, I beleive venom should be back in the 4th sequal as for such an important villian in the comics, he didn't last long in the movie, 20 minutes, tops. The green goblin lasted much longer which she shouldn't have to be the case 12/25/2008 2:42 PM | Chris

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

I see everyone arguing about whether Venom lived or died, and about the whole "Web sound", but I think one major point you must keep in mind, they aren't keeping to the same story as the comics, their mixxing things up and putting stories earlier than when they should, and mucking with classic characters. It's not a far stretch to believe the symobiote can alter Eddies physiology, because in the comics.... it did. It stretched him through a small hole in one of the earlier comics after he debuted, which leads me to my last point.

Does anyone remember the crack the in the floor? If you watch the movie in 1080p, you can see the symbiote is not burning away, but is actually seeping into the crack, and the last final tendril of the symbiote is just the last tail-end being pulled through. The "web sound" that people talk about is actually a hiss more atune to suction. With my above point and this point, it's not hard to believe the symbiote rebonded with eddie at the last moment and liquified into the crack, and yes, altering the physiology.

Later in the comics when Eddie had a true bond to the symbiote he was able to do alot of freaky things with that symbiote, so it's not a far stretch by any means 1/2/2009 2:19 AM | kmcleod

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Does no one realize that thier is more than one venom. Venom takes on about 7 hosts at the least in it's lifetime. Scorpion (mac Gargen) for one. Venom can always come back. Especially due to the fact he has binded to eddie brock's basic dna and he will almost always resemble the venom we know and love. 1/6/2009 5:29 PM | MPizzy

# Spiderman 4

Well on the part of where Eddie is still alive,is very unreasonable on my behalf.I mean,you all need to look more closely at what happens,when the pumpkin bomb explodes.I just watched the movie again yesterday and seen Eddie's skeleton fly away from the symbiote right during explosion.It is right in the middle or torward the top of the explosion where you see the skeleton.Lets face it.Mor. and the Liz. are already the likely candidates for Spiderman 4.So there you have it.It wouldn't be very wise to suggest Venom is in Spiderman 4.I don't see it happening,because I know why.That is all I wanted to say. 1/23/2009 10:06 AM | S.L.

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Venom could still be in spider man 4 'cos venoms got a healing factoor( i know because whenever spidey hurts him no physical damage is done). So when eddies sheleton whisses away some particles could have healed before death came to eddie. 2/6/2009 3:24 PM | akeem

# re: Why Venom Can't Be In Spiderman 4

Best Points Made So Far: (1) Whenever the directors kill off a main supervillain they make a big deal about it; what they don't do is have a key character get vaporized in a 30 second clip and then pan to the happy ending; (2) The screenwriters (if they were trying to be even remotely true to the source material) would not allow spiderman to kill anyone on purpose--it offends his core archetype as a character who does not kill at whim; (3) It's bad business to kill off Topher Grace's character when the screenwriters (a) took a good portion of the movie developing Eddie Brock and the ENTIRE movie developing the symbiote, and (b) had Brock transform into venom only within the last 30 minutes of the movie, and (c) the producers are not retarded and likely understand that the Venom character has the broadest fan base of ANY of Spidy's villains; it's just bad business and, as we know, Columbia pictures is all about the bengamins. 2/10/2009 11:05 PM | Spence

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Has everyone forgotten who else has a bit of the Venom sample? Dr. Connors aka The Lizard. Granted, this is before the suit attached to Eddie, but like any symbiote, it should have what is called a "shared memory" between it and all its parts and counterparts. Therefore, when the suit left Peter and latched onto Eddie, the sample in Dr. Connors' office changed with it. Again, I'm not sure if this matters, but I think if somehow the Lizard, once changed from Dr. Connors, is pissed enough at Peter, he will recreate Venom in a lab environment. This will be a Pyrrhic victory, since, by doing this, he also creates Carnage. How's that for a plot device. It would also get the movies back on track with the Marvel universe. 3/3/2009 2:13 PM | Donald Duckington

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dude u r the biggest f-ing retard any one could meet, do even know all of venoms powers! i bet this was mentioned too! look, do you know what venom was doing when he was that big blob thing at the end? its simple Venom does not need a host to survive any more, what he was doing was forming into what eddie Brock was wearing, he already has the characteristics imbeded in his brain, he doesn't need a host, and if just the smallest peice got away, we all saw how it can increase in size with high aggresion.venom can be as he wants to be, he can shape shift into any living thing or person.and carnage just isn't carnage without venom, besides, without the mix, where the hell is toxin going to come from, and why has the marvel staff started to work on photos that have spidey, carnage, and venom!and venom is on the list for possible villans, and we may just never know who's wearing that suit, but the point is, is that in the movie, the suit will be hollow, just with an unknown actor behind the mask. so yes Venom will be in the next movie, and if not, then I'm gonna shit on who ever had anything to do with the movie!!!!! 5/30/2009 10:30 PM | darian

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sam raimi f**ked it up in the third movies ending he shouldn´t have put eddie brock jumping to protect the symbiote unless in the 4th movie he decides to put eddie in and explaining doctor.kafka that the symbiote fused with eddie to form venom for the last seconds so that they had survived the goblins grenade and then cletus kassady takes bonds with the carnage symbiote and then starting to indtroduce the argument with the lizard and the black kat maybe. 6/25/2009 3:15 PM | rohit

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His skeleton was vaporized in the original movie, this is true. However, the DVD release does not have that in there. Which means one of two things:

1. By comic book magic, Eddie was whisked away at the last second during the explosion,
or
2. It was too deemed too graphic for a PG-13 movie and thus removed.

However, co-creators of the Venom character have said that there is a potential for Venom to make an appearance in the next movie.

And besides, it's a comic book. They can do what-ever the hell they want. That's why Captain America (Steve Rogers) is still alive. Look up Captain America: Rebirth. 7/7/2009 1:38 AM | chris

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they will let u know in the movie 9/15/2009 8:36 AM | anthony

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ijust want to say this spidey survived at the end of the first movie when the green goblin used the same bomb and it exploded mere inches away from his face so venom cant just die like that 9/17/2009 1:42 AM | carnage

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yes the hell venom can be in spider man 4 ugly ass bitches
and what the hell you talkin about anthony the damn movie ain't comin out until"11" bitch ass 11/1/2009 2:19 PM | dodo bobo

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Yes the hell venom can be in spiderman 4 you dirty ass bitches. That's why all of yall suck dick. What the hell you talkin about Anthony with your gay ass the movie don't come out until 2011 11/1/2009 2:24 PM | none of your damn buisness

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Why you write the same thing that mudurfucker wrote stupid ass bitch ass 11/1/2009 2:28 PM | mitchell

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well there was already more than one venom. but each time he had something different. like nomie osborn. and the guy who was also the scorpion and a couple more. 11/10/2009 10:14 AM | Luis

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um ok. The scorpion is venom in the comics now. if you wanna be closed minded go ahead. but, Mac Gargan is venom now get over it. This is clearly stated in the comics. But, hey Eddie Brock is still around. he is now Anti-Venom...which anti-venom is actually kind of cool. And oh my god yes, yes they could bring in venom in the 4th movie if they want to. ok lets look at the ending: at the end of the movie Brock rushes in and attaches back into the symbiote as parker throws a pumpkin bomb into it. but if you look at it right the pumpkin bomb is not fully wrapped up in the symbiote, and it is starting to reattach itself to brock. the pumpkin bomb explodes. the explosion almost encompasses the whole screen. and when it all subsides all you see is a small piece of the symbiote left behind. there is totally an explanation on how venom could have survived/and eddie brock. especially in a fucking comic based universe. comics kill and bring people back like theres no tomarrow. and don't give me the whole well its not a comic its a movie. its a movie set in a comic universe, and its based off of a comic. so here we go during the blast the symbiot with brock did a dissappearing act. but during that time the symbiot was hit by the blast which caused it to leave part of itself behind, and was knocked of the building that was under construction, and while no one was looking, venom took the opportunity to retreat for the time being. leaving that little strand of symbiot behind. the symbiot can regenerate itself. not itself. but the the suite by itself can replicate and regernate...hence why a symbiot pretty much fits around everyone. and there are many other explanations that would make sense..especially in the realm of a comic, on how venom is still alive. and having a movie w/ carnage and no venom. there is no point. cause if u wanna follow the comic. carnage can not come into existence w/o venom. cause the carnage symbiote is the offspring of the venom symbiote (and it actually is the symbiote, from the comic point of view that is now refered to as venom. not Venom+Eddie Brock, cause the comics refer to everyone with that symbiote attatched to them as venom. unless the symbiote got pregnant while attacted to parker, and gave birth at some point in the movie. then carnage does not exist. and second of all the carnage symbiote found kassady because of the symbiotes attactment to eddie brock. cause the carnage symbiote tracked down venom's symbiote to the facility to where both kassady and brock were confined to, and thats how it found kassady. so yea kassady+Carnage symbiote. should not be able to exist without Eddie Brock. (by the way as i said, Venom, Carnage, Toxin (son of carnage) are the names of the symbiotes and not the symbiotes plus they're host). personally i like sam raimi....when he is doing horror or stuff like evil dead. but, as far as spider-man he should have no part in it. infact they should restart the spider-man movie franchise altogether, in my book. they shouldn't go back and reintroduce and explain the wall crawlers origin they should just, start from square 1 assuming you already know his origin...and go from there. cause the last 3 movies killed off people who were not supposed to die. the green goblin was put in another dimension, not killed....hence why he is still alive now in the comics, harry osborn isn't supposed to die yet either, and even dr. Octavius is not supposed to be killed off yet either...so they need to restart the movies...just like the did w/ the Hulk. 12/14/2009 7:15 PM | Chase

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Well heres one to bring all your hopes up. The original poster is infact wrong. If you had actually read the comics the symbiote does infact take several hosts and always refers back as the name venom whatever his host. The Symbiote is venom as you would see for example when venoms host was scorpion he was scorpion-venom and when the symbiote took over eddie brocks wife he became she-venom. So infact venom can return in spiderman 4. That plus the fact the symbiote had a hold of eddie brock and infact gives its host healing attributes which the limit has never been tested. So yeah Eddie brock was blown to smitherines but as long as a little piece of Eddie exists in that symbiote theres the chance you got host and symbiote both scurrying away from spidey to hide and slowly regrow. 4/30/2010 6:47 PM | ComicNerd

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The only way Brock made Venom was from all of the hate he had.The Sybiote had turned into Brocks hate over Parker.Thats why Venom was such a badass........And the Sandman looked like a idiot when he tured into the sand monster i thoughtthat ruined the movie 8/7/2010 4:07 PM | ate Will Come Over Us

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venom has to survive. The suit comes to the prison looking for venom and a piece of it remains behind in the prison which replucates and attaches to the psyco killer, forming carnage. Thats the origins and thats how carnage is formed. The suit takes advantage of the psycos pscotic mindset, making him, carnage, a muderious villian rampaging new york. So brock does survive, but destroys the suit. The partial part of the suit peters professor has could accidently be released when he is going crazy and knocks over the contaner sealing the suit as hes turning into lizard, which looks for eddie and attaches to him, which leaves some bhind and that attaches to cletus which formes carnage(three villians like in spider man 3). The lizard can be a beginning charector and dies or something mid movie and then the carnage and venom story takes over. Venom and spider man teams up to battle and ultamatly defeats carnage(spider man 4, their are you satisfied guys) 8/15/2010 8:33 PM | F.R. Durant

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i think venom is alive and eddie is dead. 5/2/2012 1:40 PM | tolis